From the Alciato thread ....
viewtopic.php?f=11&p=12516#p12516
... with thanks to MikeH, Robert and Marco and JMD
mikeh wrote:
A good example where more than Temperance is winged is the one Marco put on tarotpedia at
http://www.tarotpedia.com/wiki/Image:Temperance01.jpg. But I find it frustrating that we frequently don't see all of the virtues that are represented, or whatever is in the work of art. For example, Robert's at
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71&hilit=temperance&start=30#p1798; since this was done by the same workshop as Marco's, I assume the other virtues are winged, too. But what about the Giovanni Bellini at
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71&p=1811&hilit=temperance#p1811 ? Is that the whole painting? Is it one of a series? Looking on the Web, it apparently has the title "virtue", but it would seem to be of Temperance in particular. If it's just her, is the date of the painting, c. 1500, an indication of when Temperance in the tarot got wings as well?
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robert wrote:
Will this do?
"Casket with the story of Paris"
Italian (Venice), early 15th century.
Workshop of Baldassare degli Embriachi.
Bone, horn and wood.
Ashmolean Museum, Oxford :D .
:ymbringiton: Bring it on.
;;)
Marco's finding:
winged temperance - XV Century - Embriachi workshop
jmd wrote:
From Venice, by Giovanni Bellini (whose brother-in-law was Andrea Mantegna, by the way), is this amazing representation of Temperance - certainly far more removed than the ones I had in mind!
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That's 3 times "winged Temperance", and all three are from Venice.
That reminds me, that I found 4 times "winged Spes", all very early (14th century and begin of 15th) and all related to Florence.
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Further MikeH noted:
MikeH wrote:One thing that might be relevant to Alciato's Temperance is a series of the seven virtues in which only one has wings, namely, Karitas, which is also the highest virtue. See p. 126 and p. 127 at
http://books.google.com/books?id=7tIOAA ... &q&f=false. This is in Bartolomeo di Bartoli da Bologna's Canzone delle Virtu e delle Scienze, done, I think Dorez says (p. 71), in Bologna around 1355, dedicated to Bruzio Visconti.
So also a winged Caritas.
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Thinking ....
The situation (winged Spes in Florence at a specific time, winged Temperance in Venice, possibly winged Caritas in Bologna) reminds me to the possibility, that we might meet in this iconographic problem similar local preferences, as we found already for the "highest Tarocchi-Trionfi-Minchiate" cards .... Florence had Fame above world as highest card, Bologna saw it as Angel, Ferrara had a "high Justice" at second place below World, Milan accepted a "high Temperance" at position 14. Sicily later took Jupiter above Atlas.
If we would assume, that Temperance had been "flying virtue" in Venice, then we have between 1513 at least till 1525 a political alliance between France and Venice and between 1515-1522 a French occupation of Milan, perhaps a period, in which some iconographic traditions for the later French Tarot tradition might have been born (all speculations about the Cary-Yale Sheet - which, however, has a not winged Temperance - go in the direction to assume something like this.
Teofilo Folengo published the "Triperuno" in 1527 (very near to this time) and lived mostly in Venice, actually "working" for a Venetian condottiero Camillo Orsini, who heavily suffered in the soon following sacco die Roma, which manifested a sort of victory or Charles V, but actually the wars didn't really end before 1559.
Still in 1660 (Noblet Tarot) and at the begin of 18th century, when the production of the Marseille Tarot took some larger forms, there was reason to look back to the earlier glorious time, when France had Milan (war of the Spanish succession).