Yes, I see - I need to pay more attention to the little details in Payen! I remembered it as being very similar to Dodal and so wasn't looking. I didn't realize it was one of Tarot of Marseille Heritage's decks, with the trumps online, until I did a specific search and found it.
I see that Carrajan is on Camoin's site,
https://en.camoin.com/tarot/Carrajat-Ma ... Tarot.html. If you have links to the others, I'd like to know
For his Tower card, Jodorowsky has a door at the bottom of the tower. I do not see any such door on any historical TdMs. Nor do I know of any without dividing lines for bricks (or stones) on the bottom steps. Some earlier Tower cards, such as the 16th century Ferrara/Venice printed version on a Budapest/Metropolitan sheet, do have doors. Even then, there is nothing like the odd three-leafed bush-like design on it - just a black space for the doorway, with perhaps a figure in it. This sheet has steps without dividing lines for bricks.
Otherwise, Jodorowsky's version seems particularly associated with Conver's version, because the fingers of the falling figure are not cut off by the bottom border of the image, as they are in every other TdM2 that I have seen - for example, the Chosson (3rd image). I imagine that the reason the fingers are cut off is that originally the figure was shown falling into water, as in Flornoy's reconstruction of Noblet's card. When the water changed to earth, the card makers still submerged the tips of the fingers. Then Conver decided to move the fingers up a little. (It is more pronounced in the version on Tarot of Marseille Heritage Gallery.) Jodorowsky is just improving a little on what Conver did. The elongated first downward flame coming down from the sun is like Tourcaty's (far right below), as is the color scheme of the bricks.
The Conver Star card (2nd from left below) has light blue all over the bottom part of the card. But the horizontal lines beneath the figure's left knee suggest something solid, as in Payen, for example (or less clearly, Dodal), where the blue under her knee has been replaced by yellow. The star-lady's face is from Chosson, as are most of the raindrop shapes on the ground. The eye-shaped navel is from Dodal (far right), and also the idea of having points inside the stars. Payen's navel is rounder, and there are no points.
Jodorowsky's Moon seems a blend of Conver and Chosson, but with some additions. There are several orange, red, and blue moondrops on the ground. The orange and red ones are from Payen, http://www.tarot-de-marseille-heritage. ... n1713.html, earth-colored there. It is hard to know if the blue ones are on the woodcut, as the paint obscures that area. Jodorowsky has details on the shore that are incompatible with Conver but might be hiding under the paint in Chosson. On Tarot of Marseille Heritage the Heri (far right below) has some foliage on the water's edge, loosely corresponding to Jodorowsky's.
Re: Jodorowsky's Tarot de Marseille sources
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