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help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 08:17
by rosele
hello, I am a restorer of ancient books, in a binding I found these sheets.Can you help me to identify them? thank you
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LsWAvtWZUtHe8JDt8
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:13
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
Nobody click on this link before Rosele proves themselves not to be a spammer.
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:26
by Huck
It are just pictures ... I'm not sure, that this is a Marseille deck ...
Picture 1
Picture 2
Picture 3
Picture 4
Picture 5
Picture 6
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:29
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
Huck wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 09:26
It are just pictures ... I'm not sure, that this is a Marseille deck ...
Can you post the pictures here?
I don't click on links, even if they seem to be safe in the structure of the link. I don't know what code people can embed.
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:31
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
Ah, I see now!
Not Tarot de Marseille at all.
It looks Italian, from the style of the borders. A centaur, perhaps a Minchiate.
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:36
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
It greatly resembles the Minchiate of Florence in Kaplan II, 264, which the tax-stamp identifies as between 1781 and 1801.
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:39
by rosele
Huck wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 09:26
It are just pictures ... I'm not sure, that this is a Marseille deck ...
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 09:46
by rosele
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 09:36
It greatly resembles the Minchiate of Florence in Kaplan II, 264, which the tax-stamp identifies as between 1781 and 1801.
The manuscript was written from 1750 onwards, but the book was certainly bound before the beginning of the 1700s. I think it may be French or Ligurian Piedmontese the register is from this area of Italy
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 10:07
by Huck
One can identify the elephant at the 4 of coins. This type of small animals was used already in 17th century, I think.
There is a half name at the Ace of coins and this not at the Kaplan deck. ....PERI...
Re: help identification tarot of marseilles
Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 10:08
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
rosele wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 09:46
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 09:36
It greatly resembles the Minchiate of Florence in Kaplan II, 264, which the tax-stamp identifies as between 1781 and 1801.
The manuscript was written from 1750 onwards, but the book was certainly bound before the beginning of the 1700s. I think it may be French or Ligurian Piedmontese the register is from this area of Italy
Thank you for responding, Rosele! Welcome to the forum.
I apologize for my suspicion about your link, but I have to deal with many spammers every day, whose links are not safe.
Yes, your sheets are clearly Minchiate, and they could be earlier than 1700. I am not an expert, I think we have more knowlegable people here.
The cards I mentioned in Kaplan are not the same engraving, but the style is the same. The pattern in Florence stayed the same for a long time.
