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Franco Pratesi wrote already in 1992 about cards in Palermo
http://trionfi.com/palermo-playing-cards-documents
Franco Pratesi about 10 years ago detected an article of a Sicilian magazine "Kalós" from the year 2002 about old playing cards in Sicily.
http://trionfi.com/kalos-tarocco-siciliano
Then an older story about the first Tarocchi cards in Sicily reigned, according which Francesco Gaetani, Duke of Sermoneta, arrived in Sicily as Viceroy in 1663 and had installed the game there.

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The Kalós article from Franco moved the idea of a first Tarocchi in Sicily to 1630.

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That's a part of the Kalos article and the passage, which informed us, that the playing card trader Girolamo Sanno had Tarocchi cards in 1630. It also reports, that the cartaro had also various other cards from Genova.

About 2015/2016 came up the discussion of the Ursino cards to Sicily and a new Empress card detected in Palermo, likely imported during 5th century.
viewtopic.php?t=1112#p17317
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********** I detected this (yesterday) ...

https://books.google.de/books?newbks=1& ... me&q=Sanna
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translated to ...
Mastro Girolamo Sanna, cartaro, confrere of the company of San Girolamo and therefore of the congregation of the Agonizzanti, on June 3 1630 establishes as the universal heir of his assets the church of the Agonizzante where he wants to be buried.
The mentioned church is Chiesa di Santa Maria degli Agonizzanti in Palermo ...
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiesa_di ... gonizzanti
... and it got its consecration according Italian wiki at 10th of March in 1630, so in the same year. The building was started in the same year and it was finished
in 1778 - 1784.
It's here ...
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1146767 ... 384!8i8192
(look for a small red shield with "Chiesa di Santa Maria degli Agonizzanti", it's not easy to recognize the church)
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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Huck wrote: 30 Apr 2021, 09:59 https://www.cartorama.de/shop/kataloge/1569400253.pdf

Advertisement for an 98-cards-Ganellini deck from Faustino Solesio in the Cartorama catalog
169 Faustino Solesio, Genova. 97/98 (Ace of Coins missing). Color
lith., 98x58 mm, square corners, no
index mark. Backs: Plaid, bluish green
and brown. Circa 1930.
Lit.: Comp. Braun 793, Mann coll. 215;
Dummett [1980] p. 342; J. Darquenne in
Joker-Journal 10/85, pp. 10-13.
The minchiate died out in the 19th century, with the exception of Liguria where
they were called Ganellini. Their last and
probably sole remaining maker, F. Solesio, stopped producing them at the beginning of the 1930ies: this is why our deck
can be considered as one of the last
specimens of the species, and with
that in the very rare variant counting
98 cards that arises through a supernumerary trump.
We’ll quote Darquenne now who reports
on a deck from circa 1900 (our translation): The additional card is obviously to
rank as the 98th.
Truly it can only take
that place for it belongs by virtue of its
background color to the last trumps, the
„rossi“, and the sequence of the remaining unnumbered trumps (Star-MoonSun-World-Judgment Day) is anchored in
such a rich tradition that we cannot think
of another place. The theme of the illustration assigned to that card confirms our
assumption. It shows a naked woman
running to the left, standing on a spoked
wheel (in our younger copy it is just an ornament, maybe a cloud) and holding
with both hands the ends of a ribbon that
is certainly meant to represent Fortuna’s
sail.
And what would be more logical
than to crown a deck of cards with the
capricious goddess of luck?
Almost mint.
US$ 2,818.00 € 2.450,-
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That's the card Nr. 98
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I've a small black-white picture of the 98-card-deck in the Tarot-Tarock-Tarocchi catalog 1988 of the Leinfelden Museum. It shows a deck of second half of 19th century. Card 98 looks similar, but the world card is very different. The producer is given as unknown.
I've been busy for the past three years and have been out of the loop but this thread has piqued my interest. The Cartorama catalogue shows quite possibly only the fourth known example of the 98th card's existence. It is also the youngest of the four and the second Solesio pack. I'll put in chronological order of the four examples I'm aware of:

1. An incomplete pack of 27 cards by Francesco Fabiano, a late 18th century maker of unknown origins. Depaulis dates this to before the fall of the Republic of Genoa in 1797. The 98th card is very similar to the latest find but here are the biggest differences. Fortuna has her head turned to the right while still running to the left. The mermaid on the bottom left has only one tail. The merman on the bottom right is beardless. The other cards are in the Earlier Minchiate pattern. This was in the collection of the late Prof. Ronald Wohl and was sold in auction in 2015.
2. The anonymous complete Genoese pack circa 1825-1850 held at Leinfelden and reported by Hoffman and Dietrich in the 1988 catalogue, which I have yet to read.
3. A complete Solesio deck dated between 1896 and 1913. It was formerly in the Temperley collection. I don't know what it looks like.
4. The almost complete Solesio deck circa 1930 done in the Later Minchiate pattern. With the exception of #3&4, all other Solesio decks came with only 97 cards.

I am not sure if Dummett was referring to #2 or #3 or both when he described Fortuna's circle as being supported by two male figures. In #1 and #4 the figure on the left is clearly female.

I mentioned this in an earlier post:viewtopic.php?p=21036#p21036 that Ganellini was reported in Sardinia in 1759. Depaulis gives his source as Descrizione dell'Isola di Sardegna. The earliest Sicilian source Depaulis can find is the 1753 Prammatica.

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Nice to meet you again, Ludophone.

I've the 1988 version Tarot - Tarock - Tarocchi, the page for the Ganellini deck is 120. The test contains as references Darquennes 1985 and Dummett 1980, p. 342.
Darquenne 1985 is Jean Darquenne, Joker Journal 1985, p 85/10f, in MGM Spielkartenangebot IX, 10/85

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98 cards Minchiate ....

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782&hilit=poilly+4 ... aeac8233f1

Some attention might be given to the Poilly Minchiate Francesi decks, which is known by 3 different versions ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782&hilit=poilly+4 ... aeac8233f1
The thread is rather long and a little bit chaotic.

There were different versions
21 trumps version, 41 trumps version, 42 trumps version
The row of the trumps differ.

The 42 version contains an additional trump "Chaos" and so got totally also 98 cards ... as the Ganellini above

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The motif Chaos later reappeared in the Etteilla Tarot cards.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_de_Poilly
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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I think, that the picture in the 1988 book is very similar to that, what we had from the web-catalog. There we see, that one of the Meermänner is rather obviously a woman. And we don't see, why the nude woman in the circle should be "Fortune". Possibly the circle is seen as the "wheel of fortune". Then the two Meermänner would replace the up-down-bottom figures of the common Fortune. But the 41-cards-Minchiate includes a Fortune, so it makes no sense to add a 42nd card as a Fortune. But ... ?

The German text knows, that there is a playing card collection in Birmingham, which had the same deck (in 1988). Also it says, that the background color is violet instead of the common red for the Minchiate "Rossi".
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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Thinking about Fortune on the Ganellini card ...
Ganellini is a word used for Minchiate in Genova. Genova is a city, which once was famous for its navigation and trade with ships ... like Venice.

Venice has a tradition, that the doge had to marry the sea. The show took place every year at Ascension Day ....
It symbolized the maritime dominion of Venice and was manifested by the throwing of a golden ring into the Adriatic Sea. This ritual gesture was performed by the doge of Venice until the fall of the republic in 1797.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_ ... a_ceremony

If the playing card "Meermänner" would have been a Venetian product, then one would easily recognize, that the circle object on the picture should be this golden ring.

If the playing card "Meermänner" would have been a Venetian product, then one would easily recognize, that the golden circle object on the picture should be this golden ring, and the nude female person in the ring would be just a personification of the sea. Or Venus for instance, who was born in the sea.

Well, the Ganellini are believed to be a product of Genova and the destiny of this city was closely related to Venice (not by friendship sometimes).
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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The circle in the republican era card is not purely yellow. There's a dab of green above, below, to the right of, and left of Fortuna. On the back of the cards is the coat of arms of the Centurione families, but it is mirrored.

Going through wikicommons, I noticed that the most common motif of Fortuna in ancient times is her holding a cornucopia. In the Middle Ages, it is the ruota. The maritime aspects of Fortuna or Tyche holding a rudder or sail while blindfolded were not as common and she was never depicted nude. From the 16th century onward, she is overwhelming shown as a nude woman holding a sail while balancing on her stone sphere. In wikicommons, only two images before 1500 show her as nude and they both date to the 1490s: an unusual chimeric Fortuna by Andrea Previtali circa 1490 and Albrecht Dürer's first female nude produced around five years later.

Nudity was never associated with Fortuna by the ancients so when did she start getting undressed? I think Aby Warburg was the first to investigate the change in iconography. Warburg points to the inventor of the Venusified Fortuna as Giovanni Rucellai and Leon Battista Alberti in the 1450s.

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=7jB ... ai&f=false

https://www.engramma.it/eOS/index.php?id_articolo=2975

Since both of these men are the topic of recent discussion in another thread, I'll leave it at that.
cron