[continued] Let us not forget that another possible reason for a tree trunc being aflame, is evidently and very impressively a natural one: lightning. H9 : “Tarocch” meant originally in Lombardic language a tree trunc being struck by lightning, resulting in a stump in flames. [Sideremark: In this li...

[continued] However, for me, both options are not direct enough, for me it seems, that the card game lent the name to these two meanings, it’s a dictionary of 1814. Evidently, the interesting one for us is the second meaning: Tarocch which is also called Borra. Pedal. Stump. Trunk. The tree trunk, j...

[continued] Yes, we can! (astoundingly) After some research, in the Lombard dictionary of Francesco Cherubini, entitled “Vocabolario milanese-italiano”, originally from 1814, not for “taroch”, but for “tarocch” https://books.google.de/books?id=0wErAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0bd...

[continued] But this does not help with the initial problem of the etymology and why the same game bears two names after the 14 -> 21/22 transition in the 15th century in Northern Italy: “ludus triumphorum” and “tarocchi”. When browsing Steele’s article again (Steele, R. (1900). X.—A Notice of the L...

After some time I could not join the forum due to professional and family resasons, I only can tell that at least this time period forced me to take some distance to the subject. And from that distanced point of view, I have to admit that all of the etymologies of tarocchi raised up to now –to my be...

Addendum: ok, now I found that you know this already On http://autorbis.net/count-leopoldo-cicognara you find Michael Dummett in his "Game of Tarot" (Appendix) commented the Cicognara case: In Count Leopoldo Cicognara, Memorie spettanti alia Storia della Caliografia, Prato, 1831, p. 16, th...

Dear all, for my post on card playing at the Council of Constance [quote=vh0610 post_id=23671 time=1618346109 user_id=3706 Hence both version are very close and one can deduce that the text is correct and present in the original version. Thus it gives us strong evidence of card games at the Council ...

Dear Huck and others, even if my hypothesis I have no doubt that "Karneval" as a name reached Cologne, quite north of Constance and far away from Nördlingen, in the 18th century. My argument was different, taking up your own reflection that the game could have been invented at the occasion...

Dear Huck, thanks for your answer. Perhaps I should clarify first in light of My own suggestion to explain the etymology of Karnöffel was .... http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1111&p=17330&hilit=kanjifah#p17330 ... an Arabian "Kanjifah" (= Kartenspiel). But I ...

Thanks Huck and Ross Caldwell for the answers. I rechecked the title of the book we refer to in the last posts https://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?index=buecher&term=noerdlingenstr&seite=o02titr the title is "Nördlinger Stadtrechte des Mittelalters", in English &quo...