Robert: I can t understand much more than what is engraved in the card,but to say aside this, Je ne parlais français !
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
22Found it.robert wrote:I keep thinking this is connected to the "Swiss Tarot de Marseille", something Kenji said a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it. I think the JPP might be someone named Proiche or something like that. My memory is going.
It's from this thread on the "Swiss Tarot de Marseille" published by Il Meneghello:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=44489
The deck is listed as being published by Jean Proche.
Now, Kenji came into the thread and said this about it:
So here we have a connection between Jacques Rochias and Jean Proche.Seeing the 2 of Coins so carefully...
you'll see the erased(?) inscription should have read;
"FAIT PAR JACQUE ROCHIAS A NEUCHATEL"
The logotype "JR" in the 4 of Coins stands for "Jacque(s) Rochias".
So this deck should be an ancestor of those by Gassmann and
Muller ("Tarot Classic").
Now, notice the the Chariot in the Jacques Rochias?
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
23Me either!EUGIM wrote:Robert: I can t understand much more than what is engraved in the card,but to say aside this, Je ne parlais français !
Gee, if only we knew someone who could speak French!
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
24Yves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The suspicious man...
The suspicious man...
The Universe is like a Mamushka.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
25Right! Or Jean-Michel, or Ross, and probably others too.EUGIM wrote:Yves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The suspicious man...
I think it means "Engraved for JPP", but I am guessing.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
26Okay...
But just see the Kbight of coins,he is riding towards to the left.
Ive never seen another deck as this regarding to this card.
Do you know it ???
But just see the Kbight of coins,he is riding towards to the left.
Ive never seen another deck as this regarding to this card.
Do you know it ???
The Universe is like a Mamushka.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
27Well, I'd have to look through decks... but as everyone has been discussing everywhere.. it doesn't seem to matter much. It looks like cardmakers reversed cards often enough that we see them everywhere. I'm with JMD on this one, I think at this point, even if "most" cards face a certain way, it is nearly impossible to know what is oldest. I also agree that it makes sense to try to tell by what the traditional iconography would be.. for instance, the Pope would certainly almost always bless with his right hand, and as JMD said, swords would probably have been held in the right hand.EUGIM wrote:Okay...
But just see the Kbight of coins,he is riding towards to the left.
Ive never seen another deck as this regarding to this card.
Do you know it ???
I don't think there is any "meaning" in which way a figure is facing beyond that. I agree it looks weird to have the knight going in this direction, as knights tend to go to the right, I think.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
28I'm not sure if I'm seeing the same thing as you are showing lamort? It's hard to tell if anything is there, but I am probably just tired and blind.lamort wrote:In the XV, on the ground, next to the acolytes, they appear the same initials that in the one of coups, ¨P¨ and the indecipherable symbol.robert wrote:EUGIM wrote:Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...
Now, another mystery. What do you think the writing means on this card?
http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hA.jpg
Check it out:
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
29Okay Rb...
These others Knights I show here tell you something ?
Cup: http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hC.jpg
Club : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622cC.jpg
These others Knights I show here tell you something ?
Cup: http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hC.jpg
Club : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622cC.jpg
The Universe is like a Mamushka.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
30EUGIM wrote:Okay Rb...
These others Knights I show here tell you something ?
Cup: http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hC.jpg
Club : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622cC.jpg
No, they don't tell me anything. What is your point?