Florentina Deck (Charles VI).

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Hi friends!

Open this thread for analyze the florentina deck aka Charles VI.

Then look for another post which talks about it and bring them here. Now, an interesting document: a letter to Lorenzo Pulci. (Pag. 24: lettere VIII).

http://books.google.es/books?id=r84OAAA ... &q&f=false

Analisys: http://trionfi.com/0/p/09/
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

Re: Florentina Deck (Charles VI).

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Very important post, by Huck. //

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=91295


Charles VI Tarot card Moon

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Toscanelli more or less lived all the time in Florence.

He's called a mathematican, cosmographer and astronom.
He made observations for comets in 1433, 1449/50, 1P/Halley 1456K1, 1457 I und II und 1472, which didn't reach great public. His opinion was well respected by Cusanus and Alberti.

Regiomontanus, famous (young) astronomer, came to Italy in 1461 on the invitation of Bessarion. He stayed here till ca. 1468. He returned 1475 and died 1476 in Rome. Naturally he also had contact to Toscanelli, how intensive, that is hard to say. Likely they did first met in the period 1461 - 1464 (Regiomontanus lived in Rome, but made journeys). Regiomontanus already had a name then, especially as his teacher, Peurbach, had impressed Italians already between 1448 - 1450.

Toscanelli, born 1497, was then already rather old. He reached a very high age with 85 years and died 1482. Regiomontanus was born 1436, 39 years younger than Toscanelli.
Naturally it should have been a Florentian interest to make Regiomontanus look as a pupil of Toscanelli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regiomontanus

From http://www.1421.tv/pages/evidence/c...?EvidenceID=463
(this source suggests, that Toscanelli had Chinese inspirations)

Quote:
"Toscanelli predicted and made accurate observations on Halley’s comet, which passed by the earth between 8 June and 8 July 1456." ...

“The only piece of his own that we have is his computation of the comet of 1460. It is an excellent computation, as Celoria has shown, and agrees with the figures of Regiomontanus quite perfectly,” says Girogo de Santillan. ...

"Still, he was widely acknowledged as the most distinguished astronomer of the 15th century in Europe. Much of his fame came from a monument to his astronomical skill that still exists at the Cathedral of Santa Maria del Flore in Florence in the well-known gnome, which he constructed about 1468. A marble slab, having a small opening in it was placed at the height of 277 feet in the dome over the middle of the left transept. By the shadow Toscanelli can determine midday to a half-second and could accurately determine when the sun was as its maximum height. (When the sun’s shadow is at it’s shortest)."

"Toscanelli’s friend, Regiomontanus was himself a great admirer of Toscanell. In a correspondence to Toscanelli, Regiomontanus even called him as a “second Archimedes”."


Alexander von Humboldt: "Paolo Toscanelli was so distinguished as an astronomer, that Regiomontanus, the teacher of Martin of Bohemia, in 1463 dedicated his work, de Quadratura Circuit, directed against the Cardinal Nicholas de Cusa, to him."
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

Re: Florentina Deck (Charles VI).

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Thanks friend!

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Well, we started.

First important card: the Chariot.
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1 - As demonstrated by Huck, 7 palle = the deck its before 1465.

2 - Red cloth = carroccio of Florence.

3 - Probably, the diamond ring.

4 - Probably, the ostrich feather

5 - Misterious halberd. Why not a sword? Until we dont discover this, we can not be sure its Lorenzo.

We all agree on this?
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

Re: Florentina Deck (Charles VI).

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Another problem.

Ross says that the Devil and the Tower always go together. This means that the deck dont have 16 triumphs, but, at least, 17 (bad number for the theory of chess).

But we are sure this tower is the same as other towers?
mmfilesi wrote:In the case of the tower of Fiorentina's deck, there is a interesting tower:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandri
Possedettero anche il Castello di Vincigliata, (detto La Torre), con molti terreni circostanti. Il castello era stato smantellato dai Pisani capitanati da John Hawkwood ed era ridotto ad un cumulo di rovine: gli Alessandri lo tennero fino al 1827.
Ginevra degli Alessandri and Giovanni Medici married in 1453. The Castello di Vincigliata, aka La Torre (the tower), is a old propiety of Alessandri family.

John Hawkwood, the great condottiero florentine, destroyed the tower.
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More information:

http://books.google.es/books?id=CpJrH8g ... zo&f=false
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

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Another problem.

By Pratesi we know in 1450 in Florence they play "trionfi".
Nel 1450 compare cosi il primo elenco di giochi permessi: pochi ma importanti, dritta, vinciperdi, trionfo e trenta. Di particolare interesse la presenza del trionfo (probabilmente da identificare col tarocco) perché di solito si ritiene che i tarocchi dalle zone padane di origine siano arrivati a Firenze soltanto verso la fine del secolo. Se il trionfo compare nell'elenco dei giochi permessi vuol dire che aveva assunto carattere tradizionale e che il popolo fiorentino (e qui non si può ancora parlare di una corte ducale o principesca) lo giocava già da tempo.
But Pulci talk about minchiate. How can we be sure that the deck was not a residual minchiate Florentine?
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)