Re: What are the documents for Marziano's dates?
Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 17:07
What is the link, I'll look too.
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Nice digging and surely that is the only "Black Venus" ...my hesitation is the Trojan prince Paris is not the direct ancestor (Anchises and Aeneas are) and neither Cranae nor Corinth, as far as I know, have anything to do with Aeneas' peregrinations (which feature Dido, not Laïs). Seems like some odd classical research for the early 15th century....for an obscure detail that provides what illumination about the genealogy? But there she is, black-faced....Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 30 Jul 2020, 15:45 isle of Cranae in Laconia, there was a temple of Venus, which Paris had built after the abduction of Helen, to perpetuate the transport of his joy and his recognition; that he gave to this Venus the epithet of Migonitis, and named the territory Migonion with a word which signified the gallant adventure which had passed there. ...Venus Melaenis, or the Black, also had a temple in a fauxbourg of Corinth; it was she who appeared in a dream to the Courtisan Laïs,[/b] [/i]
No, but Paris has nothing to do with the Black Venus; Gerard de la Chau only mentions the epithets Migonitis and Melaenis together because both occur in Pausanias.Phaeded wrote: 30 Jul 2020, 17:08 Nice digging and surely that is the only "Black Venus" ...my hesitation is the Trojan prince Paris is not the direct ancestor (Anchises and Aeneas are) and neither Cranae nor Corinth, as far as I know, have anything to do with Aeneas' peregrinations (which feature Dido, not Laïs). Seems like some odd classical research for the early 15th century....for an obscure detail that provides what illumination about the genealogy? But there she is, black-faced....
Me too, I started in 1986 at York University. Bernal was omnipresent. I was too undeveloped to make much of it. But rather than superstar today, I think it is due to him in large part that we are where we are today.He was quite the phenom while I was in college - even heard him speak at my school and asked him a question afterwards - but I think he was three decades too early; he'd be a rock star if this book came out today. But I see he died in 2013....
I was post-grad (floating between programs deciding what to do with my life) so I must be four years or so older than you. I sort of regret my joke to him - after his talk I told him his project was "Oedipal", since his father was an Egyptologist and he was upsetting that discipline's very foundations (Bernal the son was originally an Asian linguist). He looked a bit shocked and said "I never thought of it that way before" but then he thankfully laughed.,Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 30 Jul 2020, 17:28
Me too, I started in 1986 at York University. Bernal was omnipresent. I was too undeveloped to make much of it. But rather than superstar today, I think it is due to him in large part that we are where we are today.He was quite the phenom while I was in college - even heard him speak at my school and asked him a question afterwards - but I think he was three decades too early; he'd be a rock star if this book came out today. But I see he died in 2013....
Closer in age than I thought - December '63 for me, on an air force base in W. Germany (couple weeks after Kennedy got shot - my dad was on "high alert" or whatever, his interceptor squadron still ready to scramble as they weren't sure if the Soviets were behind the assassination and something else was up).Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 30 Jul 2020, 17:54 I was born in 1966. I had two years out of high school before going to college.
You must have mixed feelings about Trump's decision yesterday. Or maybe not mixed at all.Phaeded wrote: 30 Jul 2020, 18:12
Closer in age than I thought - December '63 for me, on an air force base in W. Germany (couple weeks after Kennedy got shot - my dad was on "high alert" or whatever, his interceptor squadron still ready to scramble as they weren't sure if the Soviets were behind the assassination and something else was up).
Pallene is Thessalonian, Corinth is generally considered in Arcadia, I believe, and Epirus is on the Balkan coast in the west.The place of Anchises' death (he was eighty years old when he left Troy) is attributed to different sites by various writers. Sometimes his grave is said to be on Ida itself where he had once looked after the flocks; alternatively it is placed near the peninsula of Pallene in Macedonia, in Arcadia, in Epirus, in southern Italy, and on Cape Drepanon in Sicily.