Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

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Huck wrote:Bulletin de la société archéologique, historique et artistique le Vieux Papier: pour l'étude de la vie et des moeurs d'autrefois, Band 32,Ausgaben 319-322
Vieux papier (Society : Paris, France)
Lefebvre-Ducrocq., 1991
https://books.google.de/books?hl=de&id= ... e&q=tarots

... only snippet view, but knows a lot about the playing cards in Paris.
The snippets view of the text offers 11 pages, on which the word "tarots" appears ...

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I can imagine, that there's some info inside, which would be useful.
Huck
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

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Re: Noblet references of 1659 & 1664:

There is also a document from 1681 [ [Fait en parliement le vingt dixieme jour du mois de Fevrier mil six cent quatre-vingt-un.]
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Noblet : 1647 - 1681

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As well as the notice above which allows us to extend the date of Noblet's period of activity to c1681, we now have copies of birth certificates that allow Jean Noblet was active as a Maitre Cartier from at least 1647.

The first is the birth certificate for Guillaume Noblet, newborn of Jean Noblet, maitre Cartier and Marie Fournier, 3rd of July 1647. Witnessed by Guillaume Fournier, Master Mason, and Catherine Coquelin.

https://en.geneanet.org/archives/regist ... /105063/75

The second is the birth certificate for Jean Baptiste Noblet of parents Jean Noblet, Maitre Cartier and Marie Fournier, 28th October 1648. Witnessed by Jeanne Alouys, wife of Guillaume Fournier, Master Mason. Godfather is Charles Noblet, also a Master Cardmaker.

https://en.geneanet.org/archives/regist ... 63&page=77

The third is the birth certificate for Jean Fournier, son of Guillaume Fournier & Jeanne Halouy, 2nd September 1648. Jean Noblet, master cardmaker is listed as Godfather. Witnessed by Lucie and Guillaume Juvigny.

https://en.geneanet.org/archives/regist ... 63&page=76
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

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To complete all the references I have found to Noblet family of cardmakers of Paris that I have been able to find in the online French National Archives and Geneanet we have:

Charles Noblet, Maitre Cartier, Rue de Rempart, in an inventory of 1727 [possibly relating to his decease? : without full record don't know.]

https://www.siv.archives-nationales.cul ... %20cartier

Charles Noblet, Compagne Cartier, 1762:

https://en.geneanet.org/archives/regist ... p&page=279

Charles Noblet & Jacques Noblet, both Compagne Cartier, 1771 ; also mentioned is their nephew* Jean-Baptiste Lemoine, a Master Cardmaker:

https://en.geneanet.org/archives/regist ... p&page=273

*If I am reading it right, J.B Lemoine is the cousin of the children of Charles Noblet [deceased] & Madeleine Antoinette Damien [his widow] on the father's side [cousin paternel], so presumably the son of a sister of Charles & Jacques Noblet.

As both Charles and Jacques are called Companion Cardmakers at this time, possibly the business went out of Noblet ownership between Master Cardmaker Charles Noblet of 1727 and their time?

To which we may note tentatively D'Allemagne's second mention of a Jean Noblet, à Paris, as being active between 1721-1760. However, as far as I am aware we have found no records of such so far, so either D'Allemagne has made an error here or he had access to some records since lost or misplaced.
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

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SteveM wrote:
27 May 2020, 22:02
Re: Noblet references of 1659 & 1664:
There is also a document from 1681 [ [Fait en parliement le vingt dixieme jour du mois de Fevrier mil six cent quatre-vingt-un.]
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The article can be found in the Collection formée par Nicolas DELAMARE sur l'administration et la police de Paris et de la France. LXXXIV Jeux et loteries.

Description :

Contient : Jeux en général ; Jeux de paume (1467-1741) ; Jeu de billard ; Académies, jeux de hasard (1668-1745) ; Jeux militaires, jeu de fortifications ; Cartes, tarots, dés (1583-1751) ; Cartes, contraventions (1665-1666) ; Maîtres cartiers de Paris (1594-1702) : droits de l'Hôpital général ; Cartiers de Rouen ; Cartiers de Tours ; Loteries (1541-1758) ; Inventaire de la loterie ouverte par le sr Peschart, 1657 ; La Banque Royale, 1660 ; Loteries de Dijon, des hôpitaux de Lyon, Greenwich

An essential collection of source materials for anyone interested in the history of tarot [and other games in general]. Among the gems to be found there, the 22 Articles of the Statutes and Ordinances of the Jure of Master Cardmakers, 1599:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b90639304/f177#

The article re: Noblet, 1681, is here:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b ... /f215.item
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot

Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

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Huck wrote:
13 Apr 2017, 09:20
Huck wrote:Bulletin de la société archéologique, historique et artistique le Vieux Papier: pour l'étude de la vie et des moeurs d'autrefois, Band 32,Ausgaben 319-322
Vieux papier (Society : Paris, France)
Lefebvre-Ducrocq., 1991
https://books.google.de/books?hl=de&id= ... e&q=tarots

... only snippet view, but knows a lot about the playing cards in Paris.
The snippets view of the text offers 11 pages, on which the word "tarots" appears ...
Image
I can imagine, that there's some info inside, which would be useful.
Re: 12th October 1635 - this text also mentions, beginning right page, the declaration of 12th October 1635 is mentioned several times over several pages:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b ... /f191.item#
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot

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