Come on, Robert. I don't mean ill. I just did not digest all you taught me to reply to you yet. Please give me some latitude. When I came back to this discussion, I will try to show that one of the strongest reasons I have to give Noblet the closer to the source status is that is is just so easier t...

SteveM wrote: Well, it's not a standard planetary rulership scheme - Maybe the engraver, designer, patron has Venus in Aquarius, Moon in Cancer and the Sun in Gemini !? Lol. Yes, maybe. But this would be a story that even I would not dare to defend. The more Ad-Hoc hypotheses we need for a theory, ...

Marco wrote: Do these two images look similar to you? The one on the left is Aquarius from one of those almanacs, posted by Pen at the beginning of this thread. Could you please post some XV century example of the iconography of Alcyone and the Plaiades? And, why the Pleiades on the Star, of all co...

Bertrand wrote: They don't. They have copyright (well here it's more an author's rights perspective here) on the picture taken : if you could access the original document and take your own picture, then you could give them away for free. The only problem is that you can't access the documents and t...

Hi Steve, Yes, you can be right. But, as I said before, I don't search much between cards of the same deck. The whole copy and contributing thing makes, for me, unlikely that the Tarot de Marseille have much consistence intra-deck. So even if the Cary Sheet author had Aquarius-Cancer-Gemini on his m...

Hi robert, What you call enthusiasm I call my very annoying style to chew an argument ad nausea. But there are advantages of being annoying. Sooner than later, people stop playing nice with you and hammer hard on your mistakes. And this is when I start learning. I still think that of all candidates ...

Hi Robert, I made a joke about the original Tarot de Marseille creator and called him "Jos Bleau". I've read somewhere that's Canadian french for Jonh Doe and find it obscure enough to be a private joke. Of course, from such a small sample it is very risk to make assumptions of any kind. B...

marco wrote: I have come to this passage through the reference to the Pleiades and the “water jars of the heavens” (I am not sure these “jars” were in the vulgata). Marco, I love the book of Job, but I am not very attentive on details. So I am ashamed to confess that I've missed completely this Ple...

Wow, I simple can't keep up with all the information generated on this thread. I REALLY want to dig into all the Christian connections. And I did not know the illustrations of the signa coeli (again wow) But I feel committed to undo some misunderstandings that I've created. So, for now, I will focus...

I think I was a little rude. Sorry Pen. Its is hard to argue on another language. I think other decks actually used some of the theories. I definitely saw cards with "Astronomer-Generic Stars", Aquarius, "Wise Man/ Star of Bethlehem", Venus etc. And I agree with Michael Hurst (by...