We've spoken of Geiler over the years. He is the principle basis for the identification of Imperatori with Karnöffel. Ross 2009, discussing Filippo Maria Visconti's 1420 law about card games: http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=334&p=5187&hilit=vicissitudo#p5187 Mike Howard 2020, in h...

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09 Apr 2021, 10:51

Now question is: what is the earliest reference to Karnöffel, if it is not this one?

I think it would be Mysner's poem. It does not have a precise date, but the specialists say it is not far from 1450.

I always understood it as the participle, "appropriated tarocchi", "taking" them for something other than ranked cards in a trick-taking game. So maybe it can be defined as "any use of the cards, particularly the trumps, other than in a trick taking game." This obviously leaves too much room for oth...

Definitely a bizarrely beautiful text.
http://archives.skafka.net/alice69/doc/ ... eletre.htm

I'd like to see the manuscript.

For the IPCS ... did the IPCS organ ever note something about this Forum? Can somebody quote there something? In 13 years of the existence? Or about the Aeclectic site, which was older? Hm .... http://forum.tarothistory.com/search.php?keywords=ipcs The IPCS discussion forum has been up since 2012, ...

And yes, people really should join the IPCS. It's not expensive, about 16 US dollars a year, if I remember correctly. How are you getting this bargain? For print and digital, the subscription for Europeans outside the UK is £44 , which works out to €50.99 (today's rate). Outside of Europe, includin...

My own view is that card games which break the ranking rules of court cards, or pip cards, like making the ace or another number high, are already assumed by Filippo Maria's 1420 decree about the "old and correct way" to play cards, as well as by John of Rheinfelden's statement about how some games ...

Recent research by Jonas Richter suggests that the Nördlingen reference to Karnöffel in 1426 is mythical, a conflation of references from secondary sources, which Schreiber brought together. The next earliest is in 1446. You'll have to be a member of IPCS to read the information on their forum, I do...

Thanks for pointing out the counting. I naïvely assumed letters, rather than numbers. The path for 11 goes from Gedulah to Netzach, and does indeed show Yod-Alef. Paths 15 and 16 are where we might expect complications, since the numbers could write abbreviations for the name of God Yod-Heh and Yod-...

Here is a Vatican copy of Cordovero's Pardes Rimonim - https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Neofiti.28, folio 100r Neofiti.28_0207_fa_0100r http://www.rosscaldwell.com/Neofiti.28_0207_fa_0100r_m.jpg The paths are the same as Kircher's up to Yod (between Gedulah and Tiferet), but after that I don't recogn...